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105. Breaking the Mold: What Nobody Tells Twin Parents (you can do it!), Molly's EMMC Bangor, Maine Birth Stories

• Angela Laferriere • Season 3 • Episode 105

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In this episode, we discuss:

  • Molly's two EMMC Bangor, Maine Birth Stories 
  • The experience of carrying twins and dealing with other's opinions and fears
  • Midwifery care in the hospital 
  • The great mystery of all birth stories, and the benefits of ditching preconceived notions 
  • How the cascade of interventions can interfere with a natural labor and birth 
  • ….and a whole lot more!


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Molly:

I think they came right in with the epidural, so I was around six and then they finished and got me comfortable and I was able to finally sleep, for it was about two and a half hours. So 8.30, the nurse came in to check me and all the stuff and I remember waking up and I don't remember what the nurse was, I think just kind of repositioning like pillows and stuff, and I was waiting like counting down a minute until she left and I looked at my husband and I was like you need to get me up and go to the bathroom. I need to go to the bathroom now. And he was like what am I supposed to do? I can't do that. You're like I can't move you. I was like I need to go to the bathroom right now. He was like okay, okay, I'll call the nurse. I was like don't call the nurse, I need to go. And so thankfully the nurse came back in. Anyway, I think her in real name came in to like check and just see where I was at, and um, so I just kind of smiled through it. I was like, yeah, sure, go ahead and check. And they're like oh, you're, you're fully dilated, you, you're ready.

Molly:

I was like I don't think so I think I really just need to go. Like I was like convinced, like I just need to go to the bathroom. Everyone get out of my way. So they had me do this is where I get. Like, oh, I love this story, um. So they had me do a practice push in the room and Then they were like okay, you need to stop pushing because, like you're having this baby right now, like he's coming out, so just like twin eastern main standards, like you have to deliver in an OR, just to like in case anything goes wrong, you're already like right there and set up. So he's like actively coming out, I'm actively like I, like I need to push. It feels way better to push in that moment. I had to wait for them to like unhook everything, move everything. They had to keep telling me to stop pushing and I was like I'm sorry, like I'm not, I can't, I can't, had to keep telling me to stop pushing and I was like I'm sorry, like I'm not, I can't, I can't.

Angela:

I'm Angela and I'm a certified birth photographer, experienced doula, childbirth educator and your host here on the my Maine Birth podcast. This is a space where we share the real life stories of families and their unique birth experiences in the beautiful state of Maine. From our state's biggest hospitals to birth center births and home births. Every birth story deserves to be heard and celebrated. Whether you're a soon-to-be mom, a seasoned mother or simply interested in the world of birth, these episodes are for you. Welcome back to the my Maine Birth podcast. You're listening to episode 105. And today's birth story guest is Molly. She is here to share all about the birth of her twins and also about the birth of her son, both of which were at Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor. Hi, molly, welcome to my Main Birth. So to jump right in, will you start by sharing a little bit about you and your family?

Molly:

Yeah, so it's my husband and I. We actually met in high school, so we've been together for almost nine years now. And then we have our twins, rhett and Riley. We have Jonah, who's almost two, and the twins are four. Wow so now.

Angela:

Would you share about when you found out you were pregnant for the first time and your thoughts in choosing your care?

Molly:

Yes. So when I found out the first time actually just very much fits my personality type my period is like a day late or no. It was that day that I was supposed to get it. I was like, oh, maybe. So I took a test in a gas station bathroom on the way to clothing on our house at the time. So it was kind of funny. And then I was just super excited because we had been like kind of ish trying for a while. So I called both offices in Bangor and literally just decided on who could get me in first. So that was Easter main at the time, and then COVID happened.

Molly:

so I had my first ultrasound on Friday, the 13th of 2020 of March no yes, and then that Monday was when like everything shut down, so that obviously changed Kara a whole heck of a lot. So they just like I think they got really slammed and weren't necessarily able to kind of give the care that was kind of needed. I mean, no bad blood with them, they were great, but I did end up switching back to Bangor OP at the time when they were open.

Angela:

And that was Dr.

Molly:

Smith, yeah, yeah, I had Raylene as a midwife and she actually ended up delivering the twins. She was amazing. It was such a good experience, yeah.

Angela:

Oh my gosh, that's great. So how are you feeling throughout? Your pregnancy and how did you find out it was twins? Tell me about that.

Molly:

I found that out at the first ultrasound and it was really, it was funny. So it was a couple days after we had just found out that I was pregnant and I remember just kind of going through our emotions and I looked at my husband that night and I was like you have kind of a weird feeling about this pregnancy. He's like, yeah, I really like I've been feeling yeah weird and I was like I just almost feel like there's more than one. He was like I've been feeling that it was kind of funny, like we both had that intuition almost and then went to the ultrasound and sure enough, so like there was no really surprise, because we were just like, yeah, that makes sense, but I think we would have been more surprised to have only one. Oh my gosh, that's so cool yeah, it was awesome.

Angela:

So how were you feeling then throughout like the first trimester and into, like you know, as your pregnancy progressed?

Molly:

So thankfully I ended up getting laid off from the job I had because of, like COVID and everything, um, and that was the biggest blessing because I didn't expect to be so tired that first trimester I think I slept probably like 16 to 18 hours a day. It easy, um. But physical, like, the whole pregnancy was beautiful. I had zero complications, I mean, other than just like getting so big and so uncomfortable like normal pregnancy stuff. But I had, yeah, I had no problems. It was wonderful.

Molly:

Mentally that was tough because I mean, like the pandemic, like you couldn't see anybody. It was just a confusing time for everybody. But I got so many nasty comments about just like when people found out that we were having twins, it like changed the pace from oh you're pregnant, congratulations to we would get hit with comments like wow, I would just kill myself if that were me. Oh, my goodness, horrifying comment. And then, of course, both twins are boys, are boys, um. So that brought a whole bunch of more comments about how I say that in air, quotes like how horrible boys are, and I think that's horrible because they're the lights of my life. They're amazing.

Angela:

Things not to say to a pregnant mom. Yes, oh my gosh. No, that's horrible. Oh yeah, that can make it so hard because it you know you're like you're, you're definitely affected like you're like you know some you know deep down to put it out, but it's like when people are saying that, especially if it's more than one you know person, that's hard, so hard yes, and it was like I was young, we had no idea what to expect just from parenthood in general, like we were going into this blind.

Molly:

To us it was easier because it was like we don't know the difference between one and two. We might as well do two. So between that and then, comments about how again they are traumatizing my labor and delivery is going to be, I got so many which maybe I think to a degree, maybe people were trying to be, I think, think I want to believe that they're coming from a loving point. But just it felt non-stop in the moment of comments like it's going to be an emergency c-section, you're not going to go all the way, you're going to need niki time, you're not going to have your babies when you leave the hospital, like like okay, this is excessive at this point.

Angela:

So it kind of like pregnant was great, but it totally got robbed that's a lot of things to be stacking on, like this could happen and that could happen, this could happen and that, like all of these things. You're not just worried about one thing, you're worried about all of these things and it's like maybe, maybe, what if it just all went perfectly fine?

Molly:

Let's just pretend it could and it probably will. So, yeah, that was definitely a weird time looking back.

Angela:

So how were your like appointments going? Were they kind of doing things any differently because it was twins?

Molly:

Yeah, Cause I got like with every appointment they would do an ultrasound. So I did like a monthly appointment for the first six months, I think, and then it was every two weeks until 32 weeks and then weekly until I delivered. So to me it was just kind of like, yeah, it's normal. But then when I had Jonah I was like, oh wait, this is totally different. I'm never here.

Angela:

Yeah, and was your partner able to come with you to those appointments because of like the timing and all of he was at all of them until it turned, I think, to weekly, so up until kind of like the timing.

Molly:

And all of you, he was at all of them until it turned, I think, to weekly, so up until kind of like the nitty-gritty.

Angela:

So that was yeah, that was nice was that just because, like he had a busy schedule? Or was it because he wasn't allowed because of the COVID things?

Molly:

no, thankfully he was always allowed um he was just working at spectrum at the time and they had a mandated like like everybody needs internet because it's COVID and everything yeah.

Angela:

Wow. So now would you share about kind of the final weeks and then days leading up to your labor and birth?

Molly:

Yeah, I was doing everything I possibly could to get them out. They were so yeah, all those comments and people being like they're going to come early, you can expect the worst. They had to be. I had to be induced just because they wouldn't come out. No health complications, nothing. Just they didn't want to come out.

Angela:

At what point did you decide to be induced?

Molly:

They said they wouldn't let me go past 38 weeks 38?. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Angela:

So did they present it to you as like a choice, or where it was just like we're not going to let you go past? 38 weeks is how you were, yeah, yeah.

Molly:

Yeah, I kind of wish I knew what I know now, just about induction and intervention stuff. But I think at that time I was just so desperate that I feel like either way it might've just happened.

Angela:

Yeah, so how did that look for you? How did it um? Was it like, do you guys pick a date? Or how did? How did that go?

Molly:

No, thanks, and I think they just kind of told me this day yeah, it was October 19th, it was a Monday, cause I really was shooting for a Friday and they were like, yeah, we're not doing that we'll see you on Monday.

Angela:

No inductions on Fridays. Yeah, oh my gosh, monday morning, how did that look?

Molly:

so I called on. Yes, they told me to call Monday morning and then they weren't able to get me in until it was like one in the afternoon. They called and told me to come in. Um, so we went in, they hooked me up to all the IVs and what a pitocin and stuff, and I remember so from I think it's probably two by the time we like got registered, got everything set up it's probably two-ish.

Molly:

And then from two to five, I was just sitting there and I was like this is labor, this is this is how I felt for the last three months. This is nothing. I was just kind of waiting, watching TV. My husband and I were both just kind of equally confused.

Molly:

So then at five was when the office closed and Raylene and Dr Smith walked in. I was just so like relieved because I had seen Raylene for pretty much every appointment, that pregnancy. So I grew just really like bonded to her. So when she walked in I was like yeah, like okay, this is going to be great. And so they broke my water right around five, 30. And then I remember this again like, looking back, I kind of wish I would have like ridden through labor a little bit. But the last three months of pregnancy I think I was just kind of like crying every day because I was in so much pain and so uncomfortable. So they're like let me know if you need the epidural, like let me know if you want any pain control, whatever, and I was like I mean, yeah, I'll take it, I'll take it.

Angela:

Well, when you drink your water, your contractions can be so intense Like no, not so good at that point.

Molly:

Yeah, yeah, definitely picked up a lot. I think they came right in with the epidural, so I was around six and then they finished and got me comfortable and I was able to finally sleep, for it was about two and a half hours. So 8.30, the nurse came in to check me and all the stuff and I remember waking up and I don't remember what the nurse was, I think just kind of repositioning like pillows and stuff, and I was waiting like counting down a minute until she left and I looked at my husband and I was like you need to get me up and go to the bathroom. I need to go to the bathroom now. And he was like what am I supposed to do? I can't do that. You're like, I can't move you. I was like I need to go to the bathroom right now. He was like, okay, I'll call the nurse. I was like, don't call the nurse, I need to go. And so thankfully the nurse came back in.

Molly:

Anyway, I think her in really came in to like check and just see where I was at. So I just kind of smiled through it. I was like, yeah, sure, go ahead and check. And they were like, oh, you're, you're fully dilated, you, you're ready? I was like I don't think so. I think I really just need to go to like. I was like convinced to like I just need to go to the bathroom, everyone get out of my way. So they had me do this is where I get like, oh, I love this story. So they had me do a practice push in the room and then they were like, okay, you need to stop pushing because, like you're having this baby right now, like he's coming out. So, just like twin Eastern Maine standards, like you have to deliver in an OR, just to like in case anything goes wrong, you're already like right there and set up, so they're just like hold on a minute.

Molly:

Let's go down the hall, what so? He's like actively coming out, I'm actively like I like I need to push. It feels way better to push in that moment. Um, so I had to go yes, I had to wait for them to like unhook everything, move everything and, you know, able to not push. I kind of really, they had to keep telling me to stop pushing and I was like I'm sorry, like I'm not, I can't, I can't, like it's not a thing. Then they had to set up the OR and everything.

Molly:

And I remember it was like 9.05 when we went in there and I looked at the nurse that I had. She was awesome and I was like I want to be all done with this by 930. I want to be done being pregnant, have babies in my arms, by 930. And she looked at the clock and looked at me and was like okay, like not really believing, and so finally I was able to push out the first baby and he was out in three pushes, so five ish minutes, and then they were die, die. So they had two waters and placentas, so then they had to break my second water and then just like really hope that the second baby didn't flip.

Molly:

And I remember pushing before the contractions hit and they're like you, you need to stop pushing, like you're harming yourself. I was like I'm done with this, so I I think I did finally take a break, and then the contractions started a few minutes later and then he was out on another three pushes. So he was. So. Brett was born at nine 11, no nine 13. And then Riley was born at nine 21.

Molly:

And then Riley was born at 921. We were done by 930. They were both seven pounds. They were healthy. No NICU, full term. I got stitched up and they sent us back to our room and life was easy. It was great.

Angela:

Oh my gosh, how was their placentas born?

Molly:

I don't know, I think they just pulled them. I don't know, actually, I don't actively remember pushing. They just pulled them. I don't know, actually, I don't actively remember pushing them. That's a good question. Oh my god that's so cool.

Angela:

They were able to go right up onto your chest though, mm-hmm yeah, and they latched on.

Molly:

Oh, they latched easily. Yeah, it was really such a perfect story, oh wow, that is so cool.

Molly:

And all of that fear-mongering for nothing yes, that's the thing like I feel like so many twin parents, especially with their first time moms and they're having twins, I feel like they just get so much like hate and it's so inappropriate and not. I learned through that like nine times out of ten it was from people that like knew nothing about twins, had never had twins, didn't know twins, like it's not not people that were kind of in the know.

Angela:

That makes sense yeah, it's just like a lot of fear and propaganda and stories going around. I'm so glad you had a great experience. That is incredible. Yeah, that's really special.

Molly:

So how was your postpartum time? A lot and a lot of learning, for sure, yeah. So the first like a month or so was just pure baby bliss, pure, just amazing. I did kind of start to slip into like sleep deprivation, plus they were born in October, so slipping into like seasonal effective and everything. So it was hard. I don't want to say it was like self-inflicted, I mean I was doing everything I could in the moment to like obviously stay afloat, but yeah, it got hard for a little while.

Angela:

So I just have one other question about like around your birth time. So did you notice, like when you're in the hospital in the postpartum time, that people were like, wow, you had these babies naturally. Were they like oh, anyone surprised about that?

Molly:

Yes, that was it. Yeah, it was kind of folks. It felt really empowering because, like In my mind it was just kind of like what you do, like I had kind of set my mind like this is what we're going to do and we did it and that was that. So it was kind of like, oh, oh, I did something. Like I don't know, I did something cool.

Angela:

Yeah, that is amazing. Oh my gosh. So how did you find out you were pregnant for the second time?

Molly:

Jonah. Oh my goodness, I this was another weird, just like in tune thing. Um, I was literally just driving up to my mom's house one day, which is like a common occurrence. We lived at that time, we're 20 minutes apart and I had the twins in the back and they were a year and a half and I was. I just reached out and I was like I'm pregnant. I just knew and I texted my, or I called my, husband when I got to my mom's house and I was like I need you to that You're not pregnant. I was like no, I, I'm telling you I am.

Molly:

So he got the test and it was that was on a Monday and my period was due on Friday, so it was like five days early. And so I took it and I showed it to him and it was a super faint line and he was like I don't see anything. Like like, look harder because it's right there. Like like, look harder because it's right there. So the next day I was working. I was working part time at that point. So after my shift at work I got in a digital test and it said positive and so I gave it to him. He was like, oh well, fantastic wow.

Angela:

so what were your thoughts then in choosing your care? I mean, at that point Dr Smith's office had closed, right?

Molly:

Yes, yeah, they did, and then Downey's took over, but Raylene just like transferred offices, so she's I think she's still with them. She was at that point, so I just called them and thankfully was able to get right in.

Angela:

So how did your pregnancy look like? How were you feeling?

Molly:

I felt it was fascinating to see the difference between like twins and a singleton, because I like almost kind of was forgetting that I was pregnant until I was like like until I could really feel him consistently moving. So it was like 24 weeks it was. I know it was later because there's one, but also because his placenta was in front, so I didn't feel him a whole lot.

Angela:

Anyways, yeah, it was smooth as jam until and it probably lasts like two weeks and I was like, yeah, I'm kind of uncomfortable yeah, tell me about kind of the last, those last few weeks and, like the days leading up to your, when your labor started, and about your birth.

Molly:

I do remember, I think, those last two weeks I went in for an ultrasound and I had low, like amniotic fluid. So I wanted to just like keep an eye on things and I remember being really excited to deliver because I just really wanted a break, just like a break from home life, um. So I was actually set for another induction on that Monday. So it's going to be our last weekend with like just the twins and they were two and a half at this point so we did it all up. We went to the trampoline park, which, like I didn't think about how that. Well, we had been going to the trampoline park for the last like I don't know six weeks and nothing had happened. So I was like this isn't gonna induce labor, it's fine.

Angela:

I love it. I mean really just like live your life right.

Molly:

Like labor is gonna start when it's gonna, and I figured up until that point I hadn't started. So we were good and I just kind of had it in my mind of like we have these two days, we're gonna do it up and then I'll go on Monday to have the baby. So there was nothing on my radar about delivering before Monday. So I was almost like shocked to go into labor, which sounds so silly. I was just telling a friend the story like it sounds so silly to be unprepared for labor when you're 39 weeks pregnant. But I just had it so in my head that it wasn't going to happen.

Molly:

So I remember that Saturday night I was just like mopping the floor and resetting the house after the kids went to bed and my husband had run out to get some ice cream and we were going to watch the Price is Right throwback from the 60s. And I finished mopping and I just like I didn't fall as dramatic but like leaned over whatever, whatever imagery you want, and he goes, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I think I'm good, I'm good. And so that happened a couple of times before and I was like, oh, I think I'm in labor. And we were both just equally confused of like I can't be a labor, that's not. Oh, I don't go into labor, naturally. So it was kind of funny. So we're both just completely thrown off and had no idea what to do in the moment, like we'd gone through it before, like it was just totally not on the radar for that weekend's plan well, so what did you do?

Molly:

um. So I called my mom because she was going to come down and hang out with like that was the plan for her to come and hang out with the kids and she goes is it serious, or can I finish my Hallmark movie? She's like a die-hard, like Hallmark girly every Saturday and I was like, well, I guess you can probably finish, we probably have time. She's like okay. So she finished, she got there at like 10 30 and so labor has started at 8 30 and I just remember like I was panicking because with the twins it was like only a couple hours of labor and I don't know. I was just like I need to get to the hospital, like I'm up, I don't know what to do. So we went and it was the one weekend that Raylene was not on call. It was so bummed but the doctor was great that came in. Um was on call. I want to say it's Dr Rumsey. Yes, he was great. But I was like that's not really like we do this together, that's our thing. So I got to the hospital. I was in like full blown, like active labor, like two minutes of heart contractions, and then I got to the hospital and completely stopped. It's like, oh, now I look like that girl who cried wolf. This is so awkward.

Molly:

Thankfully, for the grace of God, there was only one other person delivering on the entire floor that night. So they're just like, yeah, you do what you gotta do, get that labor going. I think they probably saw that I was like gonna be induced on Monday anyways. So then the nurse was amazing and she was like, just go walk laps in the hallway, labor will start again. It's just because you're here and you're nervous, like you're, you're fine. So we walked the laps, did all the stuff. Thankfully, labor did start again. I progressed, it was all good, um, and then let's see, I did end up. Oh, yeah, we have a girl.

Molly:

His labor got weird. I just thought with like having the twins first time, so smooth that it was just gonna be smooth, and then I got very like I don't know what's going on. So I remember my body like stopped progressing around seven centimeters and then he like went like higher. From what I understand, he instead of going lower, he was going higher than he was originally in my belly. Um, so I had to turn on pitocin. My water broke. It had meconium yeah, thank you.

Molly:

I had the meconium in it. So all of a sudden everyone's like panicked with, like there was just like that energy in the room, like they all like everyone was in there held it together so like we could feel the energy shift and I was like, so do we need a c-section? It's just the irony, and that would be like what? And they're like and I think that was all that they said and I was like, well, and she like explained, like well, there's the meconium and this and that whatever. And the only thing I knew about meconium was that like usually it's not very good on the baby and usually they need NICU time. I was like what would the irony be here that these birth stories we totally flipped. Thankfully he came out NICU, checked him over, he was totally fine. I pushed for three minutes, I think, literally like it was another, like super easy delivery.

Angela:

So your water broke like on its own this time yeah so how long after that, before you started pushing?

Molly:

no, I want to say that's probably eight, eight ish in the morning. It's kind of like around shift change, because I remember that, because they were like tell me when it breaks and I was like, okay, then I shift change and I was like I'm not gonna bother them, I'm fine. Um, so poor morning nurse had to like walk into that, but yeah, so it's probably an hour and a half. Yeah, it seemed a lot faster in the month though, but also kind of seemed like time stood still yeah, time is funny in that space yeah, it's weird to think that, like the twins are so smooth and easy.

Molly:

Like whenever people tell me that they're having twins, I'm like, oh, congratulations, that's amazing, it's gonna go amazing for you. And then here's Jonah, who just had the most ferocious enter to this world and he's still just very much that way. How was your post part?

Molly:

of time with him good because I I didn't really tear with him. I tore with the twins like all the way. I'm pretty much like, as far as you can tear, I'm pretty sure I tore. So I remember with them I was just kind of hobbling around like couldn't sit up straight, but um, with him I was up and walking pretty much right after because I had to take out the catheter and like had me go pee. So with him I was just right up and going. It was good, yeah, awesome.

Angela:

Yeah, awesome.

Molly:

Yeah.

Angela:

And how are things once you got home.

Molly:

So easy Actually. The twins like slid into that big brother role so perfectly. It was close. They're like long awaited baby. They're only two and a half, so I wasn't really sure they would fully understand. And they fully understood and they loved him from day one. And it was springtime.

Angela:

He's a like end of March baby, so spring it was beautiful, yeah, oh that's so special yeah, it was awesome so now, as a final question, if you were to give advice to someone who's expecting, or even new parents, what would be the biggest thing you'd want to share?

Molly:

I thought long and hard about this question and I think the only thing that I could really come up with fully was if you're having twins, do not accept any advice from people that are not also twin parents. Within the last like 10 years because things have changed I found that a lot like I got a lot of advice as a first-time mom to like I think people think like twins are just two babies, so like they are, but they're not at all, it's not just. Well, this is what I did with my one baby, so just double that like it's not the same. And I went crazy, trying to almost like prove myself, prove that I had it all together and not really admit like, oh, this is a lot. So I was kind of afraid to show that like I didn't have it all together. I didn't know what I was doing. I'm sorry, I didn't know what I was doing. I had two babies and I was young and inexperienced yeah, so I didn't have it all together.

Molly:

And I think if I were to meet an expecting twin mom, I want her to know that it's okay to not have it together because it is really hard and I think it's okay to admit that. So I got a lot of comments out of pure love, like all pure love. But he would just be like you're just doing so amazing, I'm so proud of you, which is a good like that's what you want to hear as a mom. But I remember in those moments just being like I'm not, I'm not doing, I don't know what I'm doing and I was afraid to admit that. I think just any advice that I could give it is hard and it's okay. You can admit that and just don't accept anything unless they also have multiples.

Angela:

That is so real and honest and I love that perspective.

Molly:

I just really hope that like someone else that's expecting twins can kind of tune in and just realize that it's not. It doesn't have to be scary. I mean, I have like disclaimer I have nothing in the medical world, like I am not a medical anything. I just got really fortunate and I know that. But also it is possible, you know what I mean. Like I don't want people just be like bullied and scared their whole pregnancy.

Angela:

It's totally possible and, yeah, so many people are bullied and scared throughout their whole pregnancy, so I really appreciate your perspective on it for sure. Yeah, thank you so much, molly, for taking the time to chat with me today and share your story.

Molly:

Yeah, thank you, this is awesome.

Angela:

Before you go, I just want to remind you I have a ton of resources for pregnancy and birth. If you're pregnant, whether you're a first time mom or if this is your fifth baby, I want you to check out the show notes, because I have some free trainings and free downloads that you can sign up for, as well as the link to access my labor of love, a comprehensive, self-paced online childbirth education course. I created this course specifically for moms who don't want to be told what to do, regardless of where you're birthing or who you're birthing with, and I'd honestly love to teach you everything that I know so that you can prepare for an autonomous birth experience and prepare to step into your role as the leader of your birth journey. So click to the show notes, check out all of those links and, if you ever have any questions, feel free to DM me at my main birth over on Instagram.